People confuse privacy and secrecy way too much. In his poems, in which he occasionally invents formal constraints, Hayes considers themes of popular culture, race, music, and masculinity. I know you paint and have for a long time. You've got the soundtrack. The New York School poets are interesting to me for their immediacy; New York School culture is about being present and being in the moment. Im not sure how to hold my face when I dance, he writes: In an expression of determination or euphoria?. JW: And the decision is how big the table is. They all had faces of oranges in them and a bunch of other stuff. The sonnet clips its authors wingsand yet a wide sample of appetites and aversions, vices and virtues, sneaks into it. Perhaps easier to fathom is the notion that Hayes has so internalized the threat of execution that he sees his assassin in the mirror. Im not doing enough as an individual if Im not seeking out new experiences, new people, being challenged, being honest with who I am, or my poems are going to be stuck. Could you get a job for a company using your skills with language? If its unconstitutional, why wouldnt it apply? asked Aliza Kaplan, a Lewis & Clark law professor who directs the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic at the law school and has been a vocal advocate against nonunanimous jury verdicts. from Coker University and an M.F.A. sort by. When Im at a conference thats full of formalists, they say, Oh, youre a formalist; if Im at an African-American retreat, people say, Yeah, youre an African-American poet. Im interested in form; Im interested in culture. Like, sometimes he says something as mysterious as, (reading) assassin, you are a mystery to me, I say to my reflection sometimes. I also thought, if it didnt work, I could just go back home and get a job there. Ive realized that my students definitely need to be praised and encouraged, but my method goes back, again, to the way I write my own poems. Im not saying its confessional, but it gives more texture to your work if you can figure out how not to close off those rooms. Then when I got a fellowship to the University of Pittsburgh, it really seemed cheaper. The idea that language in and of itself is a material or communicates sound that is a materialthat interests me. In this studio class that Ive taken, the teacher had a joke that I should take pictures of my paintings, because he would come over, and I would have a painting of a boy, and he would go away, and then an hour later it would be a painting of a tree, then he would go and come back and it would be a painting of a shoe, and its still the same canvas. Then, finding him in my forties, and becoming somewhat ambivalent about what that means. In his poems, in which he occasionally invents formal constraints, Hayes considers themes of popular culture, race, music, and masculinity. Terrance Hayes (born November 18, 1971) is an American poet and educator who has published seven poetry collections. frog waiting patiently at the front gate. I was wired that way from the outset, as a college kid without any concern with where it was going to go or who was going to like it. Nikole Hannah-Jones (Narrator), The New York Times Magazine (Contributor), That goes to the question of how much you allow yourself to fail in your day-to-day practice. Its too much; itll overwhelm my courts, and Im like, ok, they overwhelmed a lot of families, Jackson said, and a lot of my neighborhood and my communities, Black communities.. Created by Grove Atlantic and Electric Literature, My grandfather was a war veteran; my dad was in the army; my brother was in the army. Edmunson said if the office chose to do as people are suggesting, it would not be based on the current state of the law either federal or state.. American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin. To go back to your point about the later books, in Lighthead, the first poem begins with a line, I could never get the hang of Time, and the epigraph is a Borges quote from A New Refutation of Time. At some point I realized, even more than fatherhood, even more than parents, even more than race, the thing Im really obsessed with is measuring time. But Id say thats always been true. I think thats useful, but on the other hand, its not quite satisfying for me. And if jurors of color dissent from the majority, their votes effectively dont count, critics say. I could talk to myself in a room and come up with something, but I wouldnt want to only do only that. I got letters from LSU, Clemson, UNC Chapel-Hill, but no one gave a full ride. Are there particular ideas that you gravitate toward or that have influenced you? I think what young folks recoil from is when they show up and say, I was just listening to something interesting, or I just saw something interesting on my Twitter feed, and older folks say thats not important. This makes the work morally ambiguous in ways some readers will resist: I suspect that not everybody will recognize blackness as any part, even a rejected part, of Trump, a man whose loathing of black people seems unabashed. Blacks make up 2% of Oregons population, but they represent 17.9% of petitioners. He attended Coker College on a basketball scholarship, but explored painting and poetry and, encouraged by an English professor there and the poet Toi Derricotte, went to the University of Pittsburgh for an MFA in Creative Writing. But clearly the cool-blooded Amphibian-American does not agree. Its not like the basketball team. On the one hand, people must want things from you. I did high jump and the four-hundred-meter relay. It frees me up to tell the truth. This figure of something violent keeps moving around this collection, and it doesn't stick to any one thing. In Wind in a Box, I decided the only way to get into a poem was as a puzzle that was going to come together, so the great revelation was all the boxes in the book. JW: When you went to Coker College, you went for visual arts. Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt doesnt have the same discretion as Williams. YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Allen Grossman said, when people ask, What are your poems about? he says, Poetry, the subject is always poetry. I find that to be very useful as a maker of poems, even though thats frustrating for readers. Im chasing it. Anything else connected to that is just gravy. I knew I could talk to this professor about Faulkner because he was teaching it. out of the ring of fire around. In other cases, such as Hayes, Rosenblum wouldnt directly determine whether a retrial is warranted, but as the states chief legal officer her decision would set a precedent that others would likely follow. Theyre also about identity, and some of them talk about race explicitly. Born in Columbia, South Carolina, Terrance Hayes earned a BA at Coker College and an MFA at the University of Pittsburgh. Both of those are equally romantic and equally problematic. Hayess talkative poems are, in fact, a form of thinking, fuelled by opposing impulses and contradictory ideas. Years ago, I was on a panel with a guy who is a political and social poet, and he said to me, You know, at some point you do have to choose sides. Why? Get book recommendations, fiction, poetry, and dispatches from the world of literature in your in-box. My dad said, Maybe you should major in business. If he had said that when I was eight years old, I probably would have done it, but it was too late. Then you'll notice the grace, the tenderness, the unblinking truth-telling just beneath his lines, the open and generous way he takes in our world. You find that out especially as a teacher. Hayes's first book of poetry, Muscular Music (1999), won both a Whiting Award and the Kate Tufts Discovery Award. Some of the resources available to me now allow me to put myself in new situations, but that has never been my ambition. But I have no nose, no mouth, so you tell me what's good, what's god, what's funky. If were talking about class, the people who could survive as poets before were people who were wealthy already. Where theres an experience, Im thinking: Is this going to be converted to a lyric moment? So I just accepted that. And yet I still feel like theres something wrong with trying to force me to support the troops. It directly asks the high court whether the Ramos case applies retroactively; a ruling is expected by July. You work on the poem, you bring it in, and people say this is wrong, heres a strategy on how to fix it. I dont think Ashbery thinks that. Trumpet: . Jackson stepped foot into prison when his kids were in elementary school. TH: Most workshops are set up around strategy, but theyre not set up around failure. His 2010 collection, Lighthead, won the National Book Award for Poetry in 2010. the afternoon came evening's bell. I was excited for folks, but I understood there was gonna be people like me who would ask for relief and have to fight to get it, Hayes said. Id already read their books, but now I had somebody to talk to. Are those our only options? watch your mouth is little more. I was gonna fight it until I couldnt fight anymore.. If I see something is wrong, I will say its wrong. You aint allowed to derideWomen when youve never wept in front of a womanThat wasnt your mother. Thats the procedural crazy in our law that requires a ruling that says, this opinion is retroactive, Kaplan said. I was in a space where people had read lots, and I felt like I had to go to the library and read everything in it. Born in 1971 in Columbia, SC, Hayess mother was a corrections officer and father a military barber. So in the last year or two, I did take pictures of the paintings going through these various stages. Thats my attitude in the workshop, too. I havent seen that prize. When Im writing poems, I can get an immediate pleasure but still feel like theres something on the other side of that, which is what I go to novels for, like One Hundred Years of Solitude. Because I was lucky enough to get a scholarship, my parents didnt feel compelled to tell me what to do. You write a poem, and you think its a failed poem, but maybe its a draft, and you just keep going onto the next poem. Reverting to childhood may be an impossibility, but it is the solitary unquestionable way to recuperate unblemished happiness . TAYLOR: And then there's these other moments where it's really unclear who he's talking to. Should I mirror the rhythm of her hips,Or should I take the lead? But I want it to yield something for my primary concerns: teaching and writing poetry. But if I dont know that, then the poem will also be about that; it will be about not knowing. Thats a better way of being an artist to me; thats a more interesting artist who doesnt know and is pursuing an answer versus an artist who does know. I want to be writing about something; I want to have a subject like novels can, capturing a whole world. Im a student of poetry, and I feel like everythings on the table, and I can use it all. That doesnt mean automatic release. The conviction obstructs him in other ways. Its a pecha kucha, a Japanese form. The you, now & then of the last line is, I take it, the reader and also the assassin. He is known for his collections American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassins and To Float In The Space Between. None of those were affected by the Ramos decision. With success, you get encouraged to think, Im so special that people will just watch me be me. So when Pacino starts being himself in his movies and stops acting, people accept that and say, Oh, its Al Pacino! Hes an older, white dude, and he was saying that he had been a victim of molestation, and he said, Once youve seen what real evil can do in the world, you know you dont have the luxury of saying, well, Hitler was a painter too. So I said to him, I actually dont disagree, I just feel like I could be nave for a while and pursue truth, and at the end of that, if I see something thats evil, I will say its evil. . He understood the rhythm of a deltaFarmer on guitar in a juke joint circa 1933, as wellAs the rhythm of your standard bohemian on guitarIn a New York apartment amid daydreams of jumpingThrough windows, ballads of footwork, Monk orchestras,Miles with strings. In her statement announcing she had filed a brief in the Ramos case, she cited the practical consequences that could result from overturning cases. Part of the reason for the relatively low number is insufficient data in many cases, defendants will never know if they were convicted by a split jury because their lawyer never asked and it was never preserved in court records, Kaplan said. Sometimes black students and female students will say, They didnt teach black writers, or There werent that many women. And I say, Right, but thats the symptom of their era; now its a new era, but its not like we can just forget the canon. If a kid says, We dont need Mark Twain, I say the canon still has to be folded in. TH: Yesand many other things. So for someone to say this is your audience and you have to give people the thing theyll really eat, Im saying you dont know what peoples capacity is. Probably twilight makes blackness, Darkness. I had another poem about my father working in the yard called The Earth God, and I worked on it for about two years. Almost everywhere in this country every day. Hi, Tess. JW: I can see how youre a time poet rather than a space poet. Why do we have to read Shakespeare? I know because an article came back to me that said, You should read Shakespeare and Terrance Hayes. I agree with that, and I dont see why it cant be both. These cases returned to the county level, where district attorneys could decide whether to retry or take some other action. Trumpet reinforces. He envies poets who have the luxury of wandering into all corners of American life. Youre not as fixed in one position. So Ill risk naivety in the moment. To me, personality is getting close to something like transparency. In Multnomah County, where Blacks are 6% of the population, they represent 45.3% of petitioners. gas. I was just at one on page 37, and it ends in the middle of an interstate rest stop parking lot. TH: Gentle Measures almost went into Lighthead, but I just didnt have it finished. He teaches at Carnegie Mellon University and lives in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, with his family. It allows me to not get too caught up in terms of privacy and secrecy across the poems. So my definition of the academic requires a little outside information. Hayes finds Whitmans range without his privilege in a mostly alphabetized sonnet full of threats and phobias: All cancers kill me, car crashes, cavemen, chakras,Crackers, discord, dissonance, doves, Elvis,Ghosts, the grim reaper herself, a heart attackWhile making love, hangmen, Hillbillies exist,Lilies, Martha Stewarts, Mayflower maniacs,Money grubbers, Gwen Brooks The Mother,(My mothers bipolar as bacon), pancakes kill me,Phonies, dead roaches, big roaches & smallerRoaches, the sheepish, snakes, all seven seas,Snow avalanches, swansongs, sciatica, KillerWasps, yee-haws, you, now & then, disease. But does that mean Im only making black-eyed peas and collard greens? shelved 32,633 times. To stay with the food metaphor, you can make something bad. But I dont think thats always true for other people. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. So I didnt want to have to pay anything, and because of my background, I had no sense that people went to college if they didnt have their own money. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. I think he could just sit down, listen to some music every day, and feel like he could make an interesting poem. Im interested in Shakespeare, but especially how Shakespeare is in conversation with Scooby-Doo or The Walking Dead. While resolution of any case that might come before the Oregon Supreme Court could take years until appeals are exhausted, the U.S. Supreme Court heard a case in December on past convictions, but a ruling isnt expected until at least July. Terrence Hayes was 19 when he shot a man in the leg in 2004. I knew that was my only course of action, Jackson said. I still need it to be more relevant, and the stakes have to be a little deeper. SHAPIRO: It seems like some of these poems are really grounded in American life today. JW: There are more than four hundred creative writing programs in the United States. In seventy sonnets written after Trumps election, Hayes manages boundless anxiety with formal innovation. They want Rosenblum to give them that chance. It was with a professor who was the first person to say to me, This is something you could do. He has passed away now, but he was a good friend. Hayes, who is forty-six, won the 2010 National Book Award and is a professor at N.Y.U. That goes back to transparency. The desire to want to feed people is not a bad desire. But Hayes isnt describing canonical melancholy, the pined-for vision of mortality that poets sometimes indulge in. Whether thats a black barbershop, or working as a temp in an office, or working in a warehouse, I always felt there was nobody in that space like me. I like the poem where you play off the line Thank you for your service.. The problem is what to do with them after that, if they cant get a job teaching? The assassin takes many shapes: a stinkbug, the gang that lynched Emmett Till, a bunch of white girls posing for selfies, Donald Trump, and, unsettlingly, Hayess own reflection. Is it also a little gimmicky (ph)? I read To Autumn by Keats, and I was like, This is blowing my mind! But when the time came and I looked at studio arts, I couldnt afford it. Tess's most recent book of poetry is called "Work And Days." I just try to be transparent and very present, and then see what happens. You know a lot of things, but you havent spent a whole bunch of time in one area. By Dan Chiasson. JW: So your obligation is to ask questions? Even though I had not done that much poetry, it seemed cheaper. Its still an open-ended process. Maybe its generational, too. Probably twilight makes blackness dangerous. I want us to enjoy a meal together, and I cant say its only for me, even though there is a part of meand this is what I like about Ashberythat says, if you dont like it, thats your problem. I think for younger people especially, everything is so simultaneous now. Now, Rosenblum has the power to change Hayes life again. I thought, Wow, a poem a week? Even now, I really dont show people stuff when Im working on it. The following interview appears in the Spring 2018 issue of The Iowa Review. Hayess direct inspiration is the L.A. poet Wanda Coleman, who died in 2013 and who coined the term American sonnet. Coleman adapted the sonnet to the jazz methods of, as she put it, progression, improvisation, mimicry, etc. Hayess style is warier than Colemans. Im mostly interested in philosophers that have an interest in languageWittgenstein, even Nietzsche. In all of his work, five poetry collections to date, he ferociously unearths the layers of racist thinking and its harmful effects, often using the poem's form as his tool. So I just accepted that. 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